PMDG SID/STARS Options

[Mudhendriver]

Ok, so I downloaded most recent PMDG airac 1001 from navigraph and then copied from PMDG SID/STARS into Maddog SID/STARS however I noticed at several airports there are missing ILS approaches etc. For example, I could not find ILS RWY35C into KDFW on the Maddog FMC dep/arr page as I was flying. It listed most but not all of the approaches. That has happened at several large airports in the CONUS. Is this a Maddog limfac or a navigraph one?

THanks
Rich Perry

[jimmywa3]

Thank you Mauro for your correction, post deleted, see below post for proper instuctions. Bottom line is we need a clever chap to come up with a converter asap

This post has been edited by jimmywa3: 06/02/2010, 16:19

[comanche]

Rich,

The Maddog 2008 is not reading the SIDSTARS .txt files correctly. Specifically, with the ILS approaches, if the command line contains an " at or above" statement, Maddog igonores that particular approach as far as the FMS goes. IF you go to the particular airports .txt file, and find the command line associated with the missing ILS approach, find the "at or above xxxx" xxxx being altitude, and delete "at or above xxxx" , you will find next time you start up Maddog the FMS will now contain that particular ILS approach. Kind of a pain to do that with every single missing ILS approach, but that's the best we got right now until someone more clever than I comes up with a converter program. Hope this helps.

Jim Warren

Really the instruction that Maddog FMS does not accept is "AT OR BELOW XXX AT OR ABOVE YYY". Single instruction "AT OR BELOW" or "AT OR ABOVE" are accepted. Pls see http://www.flythemaddog.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8077. Additionally you should not find all STARS that contain a DOT in their name like JAGGO3.13B: must be replaced by JAGGO3-13B. Pls find KDFW.txt revised.

 KDFW.txt ( 55.88K ) Number of downloads: 30


Mauro

pls disregard the following attach

This post has been edited by comanche: 06/02/2010, 10:52

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 KDFW.txt ( 55.92K ) Number of downloads: 13

 

[comanche]

Thank you Mauro for your correction, post deleted, see below post for proper instuctions. Bottom line is we need a clever chap to come up with a converter asap

I'm not skilled enough to build a converting program; I know most of the syntax problems in using PMDG SIDSTARS with the Maddog therefore I am available to work together anybody expert in programming (if a program can be written).

Mauro

[Lennart Vedin]

I'm not skilled enough to build a converting program; I know most of the syntax problems in using PMDG SIDSTARS with the Maddog therefore I am available to work together anybody expert in programming (if a program can be written).
Mauro

I do the program work

One may divide the work in a few steps.

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1. Knowledge about each issue.
Example: "STARS that contain a DOT in there names like JAGGO3.13B: must be replaced by JAGGO3-13B"

2. Define the exact convering for each issue.
Example: Replace all DOT by DASH in the entire file.

This may not be that simple, the example may not be working, there may be other DOT that must not be replaced.
The replacement may must meet several conditions when to replace DOT with DASH.
Just an example (I havn't look the format yet): Lines that start with the word STAR should have all DOT replaced with DASH in that line.

3. Program coding based on the defines.

4. Verify each issues.
Typical to compare with marks of each differences in the original file and the converted file, to verify the replacements and only the correct replacements take place. This can be done with such freeware tools as "DiffMerge".
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Typical is to take one known issue and do all 4 steps, then continue with more issues.



Regarding the AC it self, I just recently purchaded the MADDOG with failing attempt to fly it, I can not fly it (yet) . Currently I fly Boeing 747 and ATR72.

Best regards Lennart Vedin !

This post has been edited by Lennart Vedin: 18/03/2010, 1:21

[kremin]

I'm not skilled enough to build a converting program; I know most of the syntax problems in using PMDG SIDSTARS with the Maddog therefore I am available to work together anybody expert in programming (if a program can be written).
Mauro

I do the program work
......................
Best regards Lennart Vedin !

Hej Lennart!
Good of you to help out - I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. You can take your time as I expect your solution will be ready before the developers get around to it


This post has been edited by kremin: 18/03/2010, 22:26

[comanche]

I'm not skilled enough to build a converting program; I know most of the syntax problems in using PMDG SIDSTARS with the Maddog therefore I am available to work together anybody expert in programming (if a program can be written).
Mauro

I do the program work

Dear Lennart, I am available to work with you in building a CONVERTER PMDG-Maddog. Let me have your E-Mail and I'll send to you a list of Syntax problems with the corresponding solution: to you the job of preparing Algorithms for each solution. At the same time I ask Maddog Dev. in order to know if some update on FMS is foreseen shortly and so avoid a complex work in preparing the Converter.

Mauro

This post has been edited by comanche: 18/03/2010, 12:32

[Lennart Vedin]

Thats fine.

You find my e-mail at this site, copy and past the link to your web browser: hem.passagen.se/lvedin/dk/freeware/fs (I dont want type my e-mail in any form by text, due to spam)


This post has been edited by Lennart Vedin: 18/03/2010, 15:20

[comanche]

Thats fine.

You find my e-mail at this site, copy and past the link to your web browser: hem.passagen.se/lvedin/dk/freeware/fs (I dont want type my e-mail in any form by text, due to spam)

OK Lennart I got it. Let me have some time for organizing docs.

Mauro

[Lennart Vedin]

Just a question, what is this then, isn't it a converter, no or not solve all issues ?

Maddog 2008 User Manual.pdf: "Md_Cleanup.exe. This utility must be used to resolve incompatibility issues that can exist with procedures files downloaded from Internet. The Maddog 2008 will accept most procedures files prepared for the PMDG aircrafts."

[comanche]

Just a question, what is this then, isn't it a converter, no or not solve all issues ?

Maddog 2008 User Manual.pdf: "Md_Cleanup.exe. This utility must be used to resolve incompatibility issues that can exist with procedures files downloaded from Internet. The Maddog 2008 will accept most procedures files prepared for the PMDG aircrafts."

The cleanup program was introduced by Flythemaddog with 2006 version in order to solve problems, but results were not satisfactory and several "converters" were developed with still poor results.
With the 2008 version Flythemaddog made some efforts in changing the syntax of Maddog FMC trying to get instructions as close as possible to PMDG syntax; several bugs still exist and worse PMDG made some change in their own syntax; the result is that PMDG procedure are practically unusable (most part of STARS but also several SIDS and some APPROACH). Many many claims appeared on the Forum about. Old converters and Cleanup Utility are no more effective and in some case make the problem worse. Solving or not 100% of problems depends from results of program to be built.

Mauro

This post has been edited by comanche: 18/03/2010, 20:20

[Gekkuli]

Hello!
I've been trying to fix some SID/STAR files myself but until now without success. I really need some help from you Gurus. It would be great if someone could take a look at some SIDs and STARs from Finnish airports, Oulu (EFOU) to start with. I just can't locate the problem. Is it possible to get some kind of list of known problems since I would definitely like to fix the files I need myself? Right now I just don't know how.
Thanks in advance!

[comanche]

Hello!
I've been trying to fix some SID/STAR files myself but until now without success. I really need some help from you Gurus. It would be great if someone could take a look at some SIDs and STARs from Finnish airports, Oulu (EFOU) to start with. I just can't locate the problem. Is it possible to get some kind of list of known problems since I would definitely like to fix the files I need myself? Right now I just don't know how.
Thanks in advance!

Which AIRAC you use? Pls find EFOU and some other Finnish procedure based on AIRAC 1003: should be OK. Let me know if you have more problems.

Mauro

 EFOU.txt ( 12.02K ) Number of downloads: 6

 EFIV.txt ( 3.15K ) Number of downloads: 0

 EFKK.txt ( 3.42K ) Number of downloads: 0

 EFJY.txt ( 5.67K ) Number of downloads: 1

 EFKE.txt ( 2.8K ) Number of downloads: 0

 EFKS.txt ( 4.27K ) Number of downloads: 1


This post has been edited by comanche: 30/03/2010, 8:51

[Gekkuli]

Thanks a lot! I will take a look at these and report any following problems if I find one. And yes btw Airac cycle 1003 currently in use.